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Talk:drill in Feb 25th 2012, 18:48 archive New page {{rfd-failed|text= == <s>[[drill in]]</s> == This doesn't look like a phrasal verb to me. --[[User:Downunder|Downunder]] 21:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC) :Debatable, to [[drill]] does mean in sports, to hit the ball/puck hard. So that could be drill + in. How about the sense drill something into someone? That would surely meet CFI. So... not sure. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 21:58, 16 January 2011 (UTC) ::In sports one could "drill a ball/shot/puck/serve/ace/liner/line drive/drive/spiral/pass/rocket/fastball", all with a sense that seems basically the same to me, whatever the sport. Usually this would be followed by a prepositional phrase with an adverbial function. But one-word adverbs like "fair", "foul", "out" (out of bounds). I find it hard to see how "in" is different or that any of these cause a semantic change. '''Delete'''. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 23:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC) :::Definition is inaccurate, you can drill the ball in and not score - it might be saved or blocked on the line. [[User:Mglovesfun|Mglovesfun]] ([[User talk:Mglovesfun|talk]]) 23:47, 16 January 2011 (UTC) : It's a phrasal verb because ''in'' doesn't have an object. Keep but correct definition. [[User talk:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 06:55, 17 January 2011 (UTC) ::Is that a sufficient condition? That would seem to indicate that any verb followed by any word that can be both adverb and preposition is a phrasal verb. We have never had the benefit of any adequate definition of what a phrasal verb was, let alone criteria. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 10:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC) ::: If ''in'' is an adverb in this case, then which sense applies? [[User talk:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 18:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC) ::::[[in#Adverb]] sense 2 is the best wording we have for it. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 21:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC) ::::: In that case I'm not so sure. [[User talk:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 06:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC) : '''Keep'''. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] 08:01, 17 January 2011 (UTC) ::Why? [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 10:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC) : '''Delete'''. The sense of drill used here does not require the word "in," and neither does "in" change the sense. [[User:Pingku|Pingku]] 14:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC) :: So how do you explain the existence of that particle? The ''up'' in <s>[[grow up]], [[tear up]]</s>, [[wake up]] doesn't do anything either, nor ''out'' in [[trying out]] something new. [[User talk:DAVilla|DAVilla]] 18:50, 18 January 2011 (UTC) :::I would explain it away as an optional adjunct in this case, adding some precision to "drill". "Out" and a vast number of prepositional phrases could also add analogous precision. I would argue that {{term|up}} changes the meaning by changing the lexical aspect of the associated verb in at least {{term|grow up}} and {{term|tear up}}. There is an element of completion ([[telicity]] ?) to the growing in the phrasal verbs not present in the verbs without the particle, just as in the use of [[explain away]] vs [[explain]] in the first sentence. [[User: DCDuring |DCDuring]] <small >[[User talk: DCDuring|TALK]]</small > 21:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC) {{temp|look}} '''deleted''' -- [[User:Liliana-60|Liliana]] [[User talk:Liliana-60|•]] 22:57, 18 February 2012 (UTC) }}

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