| | I know this sounds stupid, but want me to ask an Israeli? I mean, I know that WikiTiki and I come into contact with native Hebrew speakers on a daily basis, and I doubt we're the only ones around here, but if it can help... —[[User:Metaknowledge|Μετάknowledge]]<small><sup>''[[User talk:Metaknowledge|discuss]]/[[Special:Contributions/Metaknowledge|deeds]]''</sup></small> 03:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC) | | I know this sounds stupid, but want me to ask an Israeli? I mean, I know that WikiTiki and I come into contact with native Hebrew speakers on a daily basis, and I doubt we're the only ones around here, but if it can help... —[[User:Metaknowledge|Μετάknowledge]]<small><sup>''[[User talk:Metaknowledge|discuss]]/[[Special:Contributions/Metaknowledge|deeds]]''</sup></small> 03:55, 5 December 2012 (UTC) |
| − | : That doesn't sound stupid at all. Over the years, I've reposed a fair number of Wiktionarian questions to my parents, to my older sisters, to friends who live in Israel, to the good folks at [[:he:|he.wikt]], and so on. (Though unfortunately, I've sometimes made the mistake of asking ''multiple'' people. Turns out, people never agree on anything!) In this case, however, it now occurs to me that it may not be necessary, because while most of the YouTube hits for {{Hebr|דוסים|lang=he}} depict Haredim themselves (rather than people talking about them), [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFz4_th8HCg this one] has a news-show-host-person repeatedly pronounce the title of the book {{Hebr|מגדיר דוסים|lang=he}} (roughly "classification of Dosim") in his wonderful precise newscaster-like voice, where it is clearly {{IPAchar|/ˈdo.sim/|lang=he}}, with no attempt to mimic an Ashkenazi ''kamáts''. (I mean, there's some mimicry inherent in representing it as /o/ rather than /a/, but he sticks with normal Modern Israeli Hebrew vowel repertoire.) Though he uses the singular /dos/ rather than /ˈdo.si/; and his interviewee, who mostly seems to avoid using the word in speech, does ''seem'' to use /dos/ at about 3:51. But if you want to solicit opinions from other Israelis, to see if there's some variation or whatnot, be my guest! —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]] 04:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC) | + | : That doesn't sound stupid at all. Over the years, I've reposed a fair number of Wiktionarian questions to my parents, to my older sisters, to friends who live in Israel, to the good folks at [[:he:|he.wikt]], and so on. (Though unfortunately, I've sometimes made the mistake of asking ''multiple'' people. Turns out, people never agree on anything!) In this case, however, it now occurs to me that it may not be necessary, because while most of the YouTube hits for {{Hebr|דוסים|lang=he}} depict Haredim themselves (rather than people talking about them), [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFz4_th8HCg this one] has a news-show-host-person repeatedly pronounce the title of the book {{Hebr|מגדיר דוסים|lang=he}} (roughly "classification of Dosim") in his wonderful precise newscaster-like voice, where it is clearly {{IPAchar|/ˈdo.sim/|lang=he}}, with no attempt to mimic an Ashkenazi ''kamáts''. (I mean, there's some mimicry inherent in representing it as /o/ rather than /a/, but he stays in the normal Modern Israeli Hebrew vowel repertoire.) Though he uses the singular /dos/ rather than /ˈdo.si/; and his interviewee, who mostly seems to avoid using the word in speech, does ''seem'' to use /dos/ at about 3:51. But if you want to solicit opinions from other Israelis, to see if there's some variation or whatnot, be my guest! —[[User: Ruakh |Ruakh]] 04:26, 5 December 2012 (UTC) |
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