| | :::::::That analogy presents a terribly flawed false dichotomy. '''In this case''' the citation does support the definition. A picture of someone's brother is not evidence of anything. A citation showing older usage is relevant. In fact it presents valid and useful etymological history on how the word transferred from Irish to AAVE and has lost its status as the common Irish pronunciation and is now predominantly lower class blacks in the USA.[[User:Luciferwildcat|Lucifer]] ([[User talk:Luciferwildcat|talk]]) 19:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC) | | :::::::That analogy presents a terribly flawed false dichotomy. '''In this case''' the citation does support the definition. A picture of someone's brother is not evidence of anything. A citation showing older usage is relevant. In fact it presents valid and useful etymological history on how the word transferred from Irish to AAVE and has lost its status as the common Irish pronunciation and is now predominantly lower class blacks in the USA.[[User:Luciferwildcat|Lucifer]] ([[User talk:Luciferwildcat|talk]]) 19:34, 4 September 2012 (UTC) |
| | :::::::: Yes, the citation supports the definition, which is why no one removed it. The problem here is tagging it as AAVE. "A citation showing older usage is relevant" relevant to what? Certainly not for tagging it as AAVE, since it is from an Irish book by an Irish author, with Irish characters, and doesn't mention or even allude to African Americans. — ''[[User:Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV|Ungoliant]] <sup>([[User Talk:Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV|Falai]])</sup>'' 19:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC) | | :::::::: Yes, the citation supports the definition, which is why no one removed it. The problem here is tagging it as AAVE. "A citation showing older usage is relevant" relevant to what? Certainly not for tagging it as AAVE, since it is from an Irish book by an Irish author, with Irish characters, and doesn't mention or even allude to African Americans. — ''[[User:Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV|Ungoliant]] <sup>([[User Talk:Ungoliant MMDCCLXIV|Falai]])</sup>'' 19:57, 4 September 2012 (UTC) |
| − | | + | :::Citations are not added to represent the gloss or usage notes. Their only purpose is to illustrate actual usage. '''RELEVANT TO O L D E R U S A G E''' which is why for example on the citations page we organize the cites by years to show change over time. AAVE is derivative of Irish, maybe you need to take some African American History classes, cause AAVE is Standard Southern American English that is highly influenced by Irish Gaelic, Irish English, in addition to Wolof, Igbo, Yoruba, and other Niger Conglo languages.[[User:Luciferwildcat|Lucifer]] ([[User talk:Luciferwildcat|talk]]) 20:05, 4 September 2012 (UTC) |
| | :::::: Wow. [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 23:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC) | | :::::: Wow. [[User:-sche|- -sche]] [[User talk:-sche|(discuss)]] 23:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC) |
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