| | ::: Most Estonian words that look the same but have different inflections, have become that way because the final sounds of the word were lost. So what used to be the old nominative ''õpiku'' and genitive ''õpikun'' have now become ''õpik'' and ''õpiku'', while the old forms ''sööki'' and ''söögin'' have become ''söök'' and ''söögi''. This is especially apparent if you compare Estonian words with Finnish ones (which didn't lose the final sounds). Words don't just get different inflections because people feel like changing it (otherwise, why were some changed but not others?), so I think the -k in the words you mentioned have different origins. I just don't know what that origin is, but so far there seems to be one group of words with -ku/kut, another with -ki/kit, and yet another with -gi/gi. The -ku group clearly corresponds to the Finnish suffix {{term|-kko|lang=fi}} (I noticed that o and u in endings often match in Finnish and Estonian), so that leaves two other kinds unaccounted for. —[[User:CodeCat|CodeCa]][[User talk:CodeCat|t]] 22:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC) | | ::: Most Estonian words that look the same but have different inflections, have become that way because the final sounds of the word were lost. So what used to be the old nominative ''õpiku'' and genitive ''õpikun'' have now become ''õpik'' and ''õpiku'', while the old forms ''sööki'' and ''söögin'' have become ''söök'' and ''söögi''. This is especially apparent if you compare Estonian words with Finnish ones (which didn't lose the final sounds). Words don't just get different inflections because people feel like changing it (otherwise, why were some changed but not others?), so I think the -k in the words you mentioned have different origins. I just don't know what that origin is, but so far there seems to be one group of words with -ku/kut, another with -ki/kit, and yet another with -gi/gi. The -ku group clearly corresponds to the Finnish suffix {{term|-kko|lang=fi}} (I noticed that o and u in endings often match in Finnish and Estonian), so that leaves two other kinds unaccounted for. —[[User:CodeCat|CodeCa]][[User talk:CodeCat|t]] 22:37, 29 December 2011 (UTC) |
| | :::: I asked [[User:Hekaheka]] about this and he confirms that there are two suffixes in Finnish, -kko and -kki. I presume that these correspond to the Estonian suffixes -k(u) and -k(i). He also gave some definitions for the suffixes, and said that -kki was defined as a "deverbal suffix used to produce names of <u>results or objects of actions</u>", while -kko was defined as a "deverbal suffix forming nouns denoting <u>activities or tools for an activity</u>". Do you think those definitions can apply to the two Estonian suffixes as well? —[[User:CodeCat|CodeCa]][[User talk:CodeCat|t]] 12:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC) | | :::: I asked [[User:Hekaheka]] about this and he confirms that there are two suffixes in Finnish, -kko and -kki. I presume that these correspond to the Estonian suffixes -k(u) and -k(i). He also gave some definitions for the suffixes, and said that -kki was defined as a "deverbal suffix used to produce names of <u>results or objects of actions</u>", while -kko was defined as a "deverbal suffix forming nouns denoting <u>activities or tools for an activity</u>". Do you think those definitions can apply to the two Estonian suffixes as well? —[[User:CodeCat|CodeCa]][[User talk:CodeCat|t]] 12:51, 30 December 2011 (UTC) |
| − | :::: Oh that's strange. I looked at the examples you gave on the page for {{term|-k|lang=et}} and it lookes like the definitions are right but... they're swapped! sõiduk is a tool for sõitma, so it matches the definition for -kko in Finnish, but it is actually the -ki type not the -ku type! I wonder how that happened... | + | :::: I looked at the definitions for the words and it seems that there are some words that appear in both Finnish and Estonian with the same suffix. For example, Finnish has {{term|rynnäkkö|lang=fi}} which is the same as {{term|rünnak|rünnak(u)|lang=et}} and there is {{term|ajokki||vehicle|lang=fi}} which comes from {{term|ajaa||to drive|lang=fi}} just like {{term|sõiduk|sõiduk(i)|lang=et}} comes from {{term|sõitma|lang=et}}. —[[User:CodeCat|CodeCa]][[User talk:CodeCat|t]] 13:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC) |
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