2011年12月1日 星期四

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Dec 1st 2011, 22:32

Example sentences: non-idiomatic collocations?: re

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:You're absolutely right. We want common, natural example sentences. Either a joker got to ELE (unlikely, but I haven't checked the history), or, more likely, it's using ''idiomatic'' in the weird way we do here at Wiktionary, to mean "forming a phrase that means more than the sum of its parts". (See [[WT:CFI#Idiomaticity]].) We'd want example sentences with non-idiomatic collocations (in that sense of ''idiomatic''): for ''white'', ''He lives in a white house'' is okay, but ''He lives in the White House'' is not.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—[[User:Msh210|msh210]]℠</span> ([[user talk:Msh210|talk]]) 22:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:You're absolutely right. We want common, natural example sentences. Either a joker got to ELE (unlikely, but I haven't checked the history), or, more likely, it's using ''idiomatic'' in the weird way we do here at Wiktionary, to mean "forming a phrase that means more than the sum of its parts". (See [[WT:CFI#Idiomaticity]].) We'd want example sentences with non-idiomatic collocations (in that sense of ''idiomatic''): for ''white'', ''He lives in a white house'' is okay, but ''He lives in the White House'' is not.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—[[User:Msh210|msh210]]℠</span> ([[user talk:Msh210|talk]]) 22:05, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:: Perhaps other verbiage should be used, then, to avoid this sort of confusion? — [[User:Lexicografía|lexicógrafa]] &#124; [[User talk:Lexicografía|háblame]] — 22:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
:: Perhaps other verbiage should be used, then, to avoid this sort of confusion? — [[User:Lexicografía|lexicógrafa]] &#124; [[User talk:Lexicografía|háblame]] — 22:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
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:::I agree. Or ''idiomatic'' can stay, but with an explanation appended.<span class="Unicode">&#x200b;—[[User:Msh210|msh210]]℠</span> ([[user talk:Msh210|talk]]) 22:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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